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Showing posts with label Crazy Christian Beliefs. Show all posts
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Thursday, January 28, 2016

Not so crazy things Christians believe - #1

          Elsewhere I listed the top five crazy things Christians believe.  But not everything in Christianity, or even in religion in general, can be considered crazy[1].  In fact, there are some things that I view as obvious and, I think, receive general agreement by most human beings.  I think these more generally-accepted ideas or beliefs can be a good starting point for discussion.  Sometimes it helps to find some common ground when starting a discussion. 
Well, here’s the first of my “not so crazy things” that Christians believe:

#1 – Nobody’s perfect.

          I think I’ve only ever met one person in my life who seemed to seriously believe they were perfect[2].  Most people acknowledge that they make mistakes – some more readily acknowledge it than others.  Obviously, there are plenty of people who think they are better than everyone else around them, but that is different than considering yourself to be truly perfect. 

          Christians will generally phrase this concept as “All have sinned.”  That phrase comes directly from multiple places in the Bible, most notably in Paul’s letter to the Romans.  By the way, regardless of your belief system, you should read the book of Romans.  I know that there is a lot of skepticism out there about the Bible and many consider it mythology and so on.  But not the book of Romans.  Good luck finding anyone who has a serious argument that this book was not written by Paul in the AD 50s or so.  As well-preserved ancient writing goes, it is one of the best, so on that basis alone, you should read it.  It won’t take long.

          Anyway, back to the phrase “nobody’s perfect.”  I know that in this day and age, where few people want to acknowledge that there are any moral absolutes, some might start to argue that the idea of “perfect” is outdated.  Personally, in my experience as a human being among other human beings, I don’t think it really matters whether you use an absolute moral standard to judge perfection with respect to this general concept.  If you want to redefine a moral standard based on your own reason, personal experience, or whim of the moment, that is fine – the concept of “nobody’s perfect” still applies.  Maybe you feel differently, but I don’t know anyone who can even live up to their own standards 100% of the time.  I know I can’t.  Even something as simple as staying on a diet or not getting upset with other drivers or paying state sales tax on items ordered off of the internet…we all fail even at the things we say are important to us.  We fail to love the people we say we love.  I don’t mean we always fail.  But we are not perfect – not even when we get to establish the rules!

          I will take it a bit further:  we can’t become perfect, either.  By that I mean that regardless of how many self-help books we read, or how hard we train, or how much will-power we can muster, or how much Oprah we watch…we can maybe become a better person, but never perfect.  We’ll fail again.  We’ll make mistakes again.  And, again, we don’t even need to agree on any kind of moral standard for this statement to be true.  No matter how hard we try, we cannot become perfect.  I mean, even ignoring the fact that we can’t eliminate our past mistakes, we cannot make ourselves perfect going forwards for any reasonable period of time.  For an hour?  Sure, maybe – if we’re sleeping during that time!  For a day?  For a week?  I suppose we can all say facetiously “I was perfect once – for five minutes…”  But even that was in the past!

          The funny thing about the statement “nobody’s perfect” is that most of us get upset when someone tries to get into specifics.  We say “I know I’m not perfect”, but if someone tries to point out a fault, we get very upset.  We know that “theoretically” we are not perfect, but when it comes to the practical implementation of that concept, we often function and act as if we are perfect.  That’s just human nature.  “I know I’m not perfect, but I don’t have any faults!”

          Well, if it is true that we almost all agree about this general concept, it seems like it ought to be a central theme of any belief system that we might have.  Or, at the very least, our belief system shouldn’t contradict that general sentiment.  Not that there isn’t the possibility that we could all be wrong…although in this particular case, if we were all wrong, wouldn’t that just reinforce the truth that “nobody’s perfect”???  But it just seems to me that we’d be fighting against the overwhelming evidence of our personal experience.  A belief system that says:  “I will strive to, and must achieve, perfection” seems doomed from the start.

          Finally, to me, this issue illustrates the inadequacy of science to comprehensively address the human condition.  I am a scientist and I place a high value on science.  I just don’t think it addresses everything, nor is it designed to address everything.  I don’t think science can confirm for me that I am not perfect.  I don’t think science can tell me what, if anything, should be done about it.  That’s why, for me, science is not “all”.  We need more.  Whether there is more is another topic entirely.  But as faulty human beings, we need for there to be more.

          It may be that I have misread my fellow human beings.  Maybe everyone will not agree with my original statement above.  I would be interested to hear any dissenting thoughts on the matter.  But, barring a significant misread on my part, I feel that the imperfection of human beings may be a good place to start discussion, because it can be a point of common agreement among many disparate views.




[1] I use the word “crazy” because it is a fun word, not because it is the best word in this context.  To me, things that are “crazy” are things that are surprising, unexpected, unlikely, shocking, and/or hard to believe.  Miracles would fit into that category, but so would most of the predictions made by quantum physics.
[2] And they were quite obviously wrong!

Saturday, January 23, 2016

Put Your Ideas to the Test - #2 - Experimenting with God (!)

          In my previous entry on this topic, I tried to motivate the desire to “test things out” or “conduct an experiment.”  That’s all well and good in the natural world.  The entire field of science is built on that concept.  But now, I’d like to step out into the deep deep deep end.  What about testing things in the spiritual, or non-material, realm?

          Well…this is going to take a lot of explaining first!  I just want to set up a few things in this entry.

          First, although I just suggested that we might consider “testing the spiritual”, I’m not considering here the things that you see on television about searching for ghosts and so on.  Why is it that non-material ghosts seem to have to produce fully-material electromagnetic waves everywhere they go???  I am highly skeptical of all that sort of thing and I have no real interest in it.  In fact, I feel that it clouds the issue.  With so much foolishness, it’s hard to find the truth and, in fact, hard to believe that there really is any truth to be found there.  So, I want to distance anything I say from that whole realm of craziness as much as possible.

          No, all I care about is performing experiments about the existence of God.  Actually, even the phrase “existence of God” is too generic.  I want to get even more specific than that.  But I have to stop here again and make another point.

          You can’t test God in a randomized, double-blind experiment.  You can’t even do a simple repeat “test”.  It’s the same reason that you can’t trust political opinion polls about which candidate someone will vote for.  How do I know you can’t trust them?  Because I’ve been asked to do some of those polls and – guess what? – I lied.  I lied.  I exercised my freewill as an obstinate human being who doesn’t like being called in the middle of trying to write up a blog entry and being asked about my opinions for a poll that is a waste of time to begin with (in my opinion).  So, I don’t take them seriously.  They can’t make me take it seriously.  Why?  Because I have free will (hah!).

          The point is, if God has any of the qualities that a God should have, then He has free will.[1]  If we don’t place any other requirements on God, then we face the same problem that pollsters face when they ask human beings questions:  God could lie too.  Or He could play hard to get.  He could hide Himself behind blind chance.  There’s just no way to pin God down and do a study on Him.  We’d have to get His consent first, and His willingness to play along and play fair, and even then, how could we be sure He was playing fair?  We just can’t control Him.  So, no, I can’t see any way of testing a general concept of God through any type of experimental means.  That is not what I’m talking about here either.

          We will have to get down to a very specific “God” and a very specific situation to have any chance of testing.  Even then, the rules for this evaluation are going to have to be very carefully spelled out.  But I just want to define the general concept right now and get into the details in the future.

          The specific “God” I am talking about is Jesus.  As I pointed out in my “Top Five Crazy Things” entry, Christians make a couple of claims that are relevant here:  1) Jesus is God and 2) Jesus is still alive today and active in people’s lives.  Further, I’m talking about Jesus as described in the Bible.  I am being very specific because we can only test very specific things.  We cannot test God in general, but we might have some chance of testing – or evaluating[2] – specific aspects of a very specific kind of God.  That is what I am talking about.

          I said all that to say this:  in the Bible, it is recorded that Jesus said the following:

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.”  [Matt 7:7-8]

And also

“Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”  [Rev 3:20]

          There is a lot to these statements, and we will have to analyze them in detail and make sure we understand them fully before we can go much further.  But for the moment I want you to entertain this one thought:  is it possible to evaluate whether these statements are true or not?  We certainly can’t test to figure out if a lying God exists, but can we test to see if a man, claiming to be God, who made the claims above in the past and still intends to live up to these claims even now, today…can we test to see if such a God as that exists?  From an experimental design perspective, the major advantage of adding Christian beliefs to the statements above is that if Jesus is still alive today, then we don’t have to try to figure out how to test if this statement was valid at some point in the past – that would be nearly impossible to do – we just have to figure out if this statement is valid right now.

          It’s not going to be easy to figure this out.  But I would suggest that, at the very least, it is worth some effort on our part to try to figure it out.  Maybe we can’t figure out a way to test this claim, but ignoring the possibility hardly seems like the smart thing to do.  OK, well, I can’t resist the possibility, and since this is my blog, I get to dive in.

Be careful though – best to think everything through in detail before knocking on the lion’s door!





[1] I’m not talking about a mindless “Force” that has no will.  Actually, such a force, assuming it follows some kind of rules, would probably actually be testable using scientific methods.  And, in fact, such forces have been identified by science…gravity…electromagnetic force…strong and weak nuclear forces…
[2] It is very unfortunate that the English word “test” has different meanings.  A better word would actually be “taste”, but that would probably seem odd without a lot of explanation.  I’ll save that for the future.

Saturday, December 12, 2015

The #1 Crazy Thing that Christians Believe

          I wrote in an earlier entry about the top five crazy things that Christians believe.  My point there was to show that the fundamental issues of Christianity are still the most important topics for discussion today (relative to Christian beliefs).  These are the issues that have been discussed through the ages, from Paul to Augustine to modern day thinkers.  I am concerned that those foundational concepts are no longer considered or discussed, and yet there is heated debate about issues that are only relevant when they are grounded to those foundations. It’s analogous to arguing about advanced details of calculus when we haven’t agreed on the associative and commutative properties of mathematics.  Such an argument is a waste of time until the basic foundational principles have been agreed to.  My goal is to endeavor to focus on fundamental issues in this blog and not get caught up in issues that are irrelevant when they are untethered from their foundations.

          In my earlier entry, I left out the #1 Crazy Thing that Christians Believe.  I figured that issue deserved its own entry.  So, without further ado, what is the #1 Crazy Thing that Christians Believe?  Well, according to me, it is:

#1 - Jesus is alive today, and He is active and involved in people’s lives on a moment by moment basis.

          This idea follows directly from Crazy Thing #3 – that Jesus rose from the dead – and is made important by Crazy Thing #2 – that Jesus is God.  And no, He didn’t die again in 1882 or 1966 or any other time before or since.  So, therefore, He is alive today and, according to Christians, still just as present as He was in first century Palestine.

          Think about it.  Christians pray to God and expect that He hears them and actually responds to their requests.  Christians believe He cures diseases and fixes problems.  They believe He changes the course of history.  And, most importantly, they claim He has changed each one of them personally from the inside.  People all over the world report “supernatural” experiences with God.  We are not talking about experiences that happened 2000 years ago – we are talking about experiences that happened yesterday.  We are talking about experiences that are happening right now!

          I don’t see how any conversation of Christian beliefs can look too far past this key point.  I mean, it is either evidence of total delusion by a reasonably significant segment of the population or it is critically important to all of us on a moment by moment basis (because of its immediacy).  Is there a middle ground here?  Personally I don’t see it.  This #1 Crazy Thing is either utterly false and ridiculous or it is shockingly true and spectacular.  Is there a third choice???

          OK.  Before I stop for now, I’d like to try out an analogy – a story – and see if it helps to illustrate the situation.

Example conversation…

Let’s say I come in the door and say to you “there’s a lion roaming the streets.”  You say “we live in the middle of the city – that’s ridiculous – there’s no lion.”  And I might begin to try to convince you.  “No – I really saw it – it was walking around on the sidewalk downtown.” 

“Oh that’s ridiculous – it would be all over the news if there was a lion walking around downtown.”

“But I saw it clear as day.”

“It was probably just someone wearing a lion costume for some reason.  I heard there was some kind of parade downtown today.”

“No – it was really a lion.  I went over and saw the footprints in the grass.”

“Footprints could be anything.”

“I took a picture of the footprints – look – here it is.”

“That doesn’t look like anything to me – that could be someone’s shoe that made that.  Besides, how do I know that you didn’t just take a picture at the zoo?”

“Other people saw it.  I’m not the only one.  Don’t you want to talk to them?”

“No.  I don’t want to talk to them.  It’s all foolishness.  There was no lion walking around downtown.  Let’s change the subject.”


Compare that to the following conversation…

Let’s say I come through the door and say to you “there’s a lion roaming the streets. And…”

“What are you talking about – that’s ridiculous – we live in the middle of the city – there’s no lion.”

“…and – don’t move too quickly – he’s standing right behind you!”


What makes this the #1 Crazy Thing?  Well, if you can establish this one as fact, don’t all the others kind of fall away?  For example, why try to prove or disprove that Jesus rose from the dead if He is still around today?


There will be more to come on this particular issue because I really do feel that it should be at the top of the list for discussion relative to Christian beliefs.  For now, I will leave you to ponder whether you agree with my list of crazy things!

Saturday, October 17, 2015

Top Five Crazy Things That Christians Believe - #5 to #2

Well, I’m probably about to offend almost all of my friends with this post.  I have friends who are strong fundamental Christians and I have friends who consider anything related to religion or spirituality as going back to the dark ages and only useful for Monty Python skits.  I think I’m about to offend all…but, hey, here it goes…

Let’s talk about the crazy things that Christians believe.  I’m talking about Christians who would call themselves “Evangelical” and would generally fit into the category of “Fundamentalists”.  If you like to apply stereotypes, here are some characteristics that come quickly to mind.  Christians in this category are likely to support at least some limits to the broad category of “gay rights”.  They are likely to be, at the very least, uncomfortable with the concept of evolution and, in most cases, opposed to at least some of its tenets.  They probably oppose abortion.  I could go on, but this should suffice to define the group.

I think that if the average person were to be asked “What are the five craziest things that Evangelical Christians believe?”, the list would include things like “opposition to evolution”, “rejection of science”, “overly conservative moral views”, and so on.  But to me, that really misses the whole point.  That’s like saying that the craziest thing that Extraterrestrialists[1] believe is that aliens are green and have big eyes and skinny arms.  Isn’t that completely skipping over the major issue?  The major issue in that case is this:  do aliens exist at all?  Discussing the lack of bulkiness in the arms of aliens (if they have arms!) is total trivia unless the more important discussion, regarding the existence of aliens at all, has already taken place and has reached the conclusion that they do exist.  Until that first discussion is complete, discussing those other issues is a waste of time.

The point is, what happened during in the universe prior to recorded history is way down on the list of crazy things that Christians believe.  Personally, I would not put it in the top five, and probably not even in the top twenty.  Here are my top five things (ok, I only list #2 - #5 here – I’ll put the #1 craziest belief in a separate entry):

#5 – Jesus was born of Mary, who was a virgin.  Further, when Jesus grew up he performed the 500+ miracles recorded about him in the Christian Bible, and those were real miracles in the commonly accepted use of the term “miracle” (i.e. not magical tricks or convenient coincidences).

#4 – There is life after death, and there is a judgement after death with eternal consequences.

#3 - Jesus died and rose again after three days to a real, though unique, body.  He was really dead and didn’t just “swoon”, and he was really alive afterwards, not just an apparition.

#2 - Jesus claimed to be God and really was God, and his death provides a payment for the sins of the whole world, directly impacting the events that might transpire in crazy item #4.


There are libraries full of books on the four topics I have listed.  There are specific theological words for all of these topics, but I will not bring those up now.  The point is, these issues have been debated and discussed and codified and written about for a couple millennia.  But just because they have been around for a long time doesn’t diminish their importance.  These topics are still the pertinent issues for discussion.  They are still the foundation for Christian beliefs.  Everything else grows out of these issues.  To pick at outcomes of some of these beliefs is, in my opinion, pretty much a waste of time.  If the foundational issues are false, then the ideas built on those foundational issues don’t matter and never did.  If the foundational issues are true, then the ideas built on them follow naturally and there’s usually not much discussion required.

Let me give a simple example before I move on, in hopes that it will clarify the point.  Take the first aspect of crazy belief #5 – the virgin birth of Christ.  Can we agree that a virgin birth of a human being is surely more of a complete affront to scientific biological principles than the concept that some things might have been created, not evolved?  Seriously – Christians believe that Jesus stood outside of Lazarus’ tomb and called out to him after he had been dead for about three days, and Lazarus came up alive, was unwrapped from the grave cloths, and went back to being a normal, living human being.  Now that is crazy, and that’s just one part of item #5!

The point is, if the four items I listed above are false, there’s no reason to argue further.  In fact, even the Apostle Paul, clearly a staunch Christian, admitted this and went a bit further, saying that if Jesus didn’t rise from the dead then Christians “are to be pitied” because their whole set of beliefs would be based on a big falsehood.  However, if the four items I listed above are true, then their importance to every human being swamps the discussion regarding anything else.  For example, if there really is some kind of judgement with eternal consequences after you die, then you better get ready for that quickly and not waste time discussing anything else!

Why do we argue about creation vs evolution when there are much bigger issues to tackle?  The reason is simple, but does not invalidate my point.  The reason we argue about these kinds of side issues is because we cannot come to an agreement on the four issues I outlined above.  That split has happened long ago and has only widened over time.  Those discussions have been conducted long ago, without reaching a conclusion.  But that doesn’t invalidate my point:  it is still pointless to give up discussing those fundamental issues and argue over side issues.  That doesn’t solve anything and it is essentially arguing trivia and ignoring the real foundations.  It’s like trying to build a house on thin air because you couldn’t figure out how to build a foundation. 

To my Christian brothers and sisters I say: stop getting drawn into arguments about the side issues!  Or, worse yet, starting such arguments.  It is a waste of time.  If you want to argue your beliefs, argue the beliefs that your patriarchs grappled with, such as the four listed above.  There is a good reason that the early Church Fathers wrote about these things. You can’t accept or reject Christian beliefs based on issues such as the origin of the universe or abortion or gay rights.  If you are going to accept or reject Christian beliefs, it should be on the basis of the big issues above (and maybe a few others).

In light of this, I have no interest in discussing creation vs. evolution or similar topics.  Well, at least not until the four issues above have been addressed and we have all come to a conclusion regarding the truth or falseness of these foundational issues.  And…since a few millennia of discussion hasn’t resulted in a globally accepted conclusion, I don’t anticipate getting past those anytime soon!

OK – there will obviously be many more entries on this topic…including the #1 craziest thing that Christians believe.  Any guesses?



[1] Extraterrestrialists = those who believe in aliens among us. Yes, I made that word up, but no, I’m not proud of it.