Consciousness, Free Will, and the Orchestra

             In the world of science - neuroscience in particular - there is something called the "hard problem of consciousness."  I love that phrasing.  It's called a "hard problem" because we can't explain it and, frankly, if you've tried to read Roger Penrose's "Shadows of the Mind", you realize that we don't even know where to start.  There isn't really even a field of study in which to place consciousness.  Will it be answered from the field of biology?  Physics?  Metaphysics?  We don't even know if it belongs in the hard sciences or liberal arts.  It really is a hard problem!  In fact, we can't even come up with a good definition of consciousness, even though we all experience it.  Consciousness is defined as "awareness of existence."  Great.  What is "awareness"?  "Awareness" is defined as the "state of being conscious of something."  That's a textbook example of a circular definition.  We don't know how to define it and we don't know where to study it.  So, yes, consciousness really is a "hard problem"!

             However, to me, consciousness is just one side of the issue.  The other side is our ability to make decisions - what some of us would refer to as our "free will."  I have discussed free will in other entries, so I am not focusing on that here, except to say one thing:  compared to the problem of free will, consciousness is easy!!  Free will is an 11 on the Mohs scale.

             Just one more thing:  in my view, consciousness and free will are two aspects of the same thing.  Consciousness correlates to the "sensory" system and free will correlates to the "motor" system.  Consciousness is an input.  Free will is an output.  To go further, since I hypothesize that consciousness and free will reside in the "soul-spirit" (or the Greek "psuche-pneuma" - see here for general discussion), consciousness is the part of the soul-spirit that is acted upon by the physical brain (senses the brain's status) and free will is the part of the soul-spirit that acts upon the physical brain.

             I said all that to say this:  I'm proposing using the idea of an orchestra as an analogy to consider the mind/brain/soul/consciousness/free will problem.  With this analogy, I hope to show that consciousness and free will cannot be physical, material structures in the way we currently classify things as being material. 

             For starters in this analogy, let's correlate each musician in the orchestra with a neuron.  Of course there are a lot more neurons in the brain than musicians in an orchestra.  So you have to imagine a really huge orchestra and an incredible array of instruments.  Some instruments play very few notes - like specialized percussion instruments.  Other instruments are like violins - almost always playing.  But each musician is primarily responsible for their own instrument.  In the brain, neurons may have an effect on other neurons and multiple organs.  In a very loose way, each musician is affected by the musicians around them.  If they play faster or slower or so on, they can be influenced in a way that might affect their play.  Granted, it's not a perfect analogy:  orchestras lack "feedback loops" and "reflexes" and other features of the nervous system.  And a musician is, of course, much more complex than a single neuron and maybe each musician should be thought of as more of a network of neurons.  But, really, that's not the point of this analogy.

             As described so far, the orchestra can function pretty well - especially if it is composed of a group of well-trained musicians - and this is analogous to the brain.  The instruments are the neural signals - the action potentials of each neuron or the aggregate action potentials of each neural circuit.  The orchestra is a self-contained unit just like the brain is a self-contained unit.  If you have an instrument that measures sound alone, you will only measure the results of what each musician does - the sound that comes out of each instrument.  In the same way, if all you have are measures of neuronal activity - voltage or metabolic measures - then all you will see is the neural activity.  When we record brain activity, we are listening in on each musician or each section of musicians to hear the music they are playing.  By listening in on different areas of the brain, we hope to assemble the entire "score" that is being played.

 

             But there are two things missing:  one is obvious and you probably know what I'm going to say.  The other is even more obvious, so obvious that you might not think of it.  These two things are:  1) the Conductor and 2) the Listener - the audience.

             First, let's consider the Listener.  The Listener represents, in this analogy, the consciousness of the soul.  Of course you don't have to have any listeners for an orchestra to function.  But what is the point of an orchestra if no one is listening?  Actually, though, you do have to have at least one Listener:  the Conductor.  A deaf, blind, and insensate conductor would not be able to conduct.  Even if no one else is listening, at the very least the Conductor is listening.

             Note that only the Listener hears the whole orchestra (assuming they are in a room with good acoustics).  Each musician hears the musicians around them, and probably focuses in to certain sounds (like the percussion), but they really are not sitting back and listening to appreciate the music as a whole.  It is kind of hard for an individual musician to hear everything being played (especially since, as you recall, we are talking about a really really huge orchestra), and they naturally "tune out" some sounds in order to concentrate on what they are playing.  In general, they hear their own instrument and the instruments of those around them much more intensely than anything else.  Their attention is focused on what they have to play.  But the Listener is generally listening to the entire combined sound of the orchestra.  What the Listener hears is not just a single, combined output.  For example, the Listener doesn't just hear a homogenous sound that increases or decreases in volume alone.  No, the Listener hears a richness of many different components:  volume, pitch, harmonics, beat, etc.  The components - the instruments - are all there in what the Listener hears.  They hear the whole musical piece.

             The thing about our consciousness is that we are aware of the states of multiple neurons in our brain at the same instant in time and that awareness is updated with each passing instant in time.  At each successive moment, we are tracking the status of millions of neurons.  Usually, we are just listening to the entire orchestra, although we do have the ability to "tune out" portions of our sensory inputs and concentrate on a small part of what is happening around us.  The Listener also has memory and may have a memory of familiar passages in a musical piece.  The Listener can be moved to emotions through those passages of music.  These are all characteristics of our consciousness.  Again, the analogy is not perfect, but I think it can be instructive.

             The lack of a "Listener" in the physical brain is, to me, one of the major problems confronting the idea of consciousness as a physical entity that resides in the brain.  There is nothing that physically connects all of our neurons to a single, unified point - no "Organ of Listening."  Of course there are many neurons that have electrical connections to a huge number of other neurons throughout the brain.  But a single neuron does not contain signals that can fully represent the richness of the conscious sensations we feel.  A neuron, fundamentally, either outputs an action potential or it doesn't.  A neuron is simply binary in that manner.  Even if we allow for the variation in excitatory potentials as some kind of continuum over a range, we are still left with just a single value (voltage) that is, fundamentally, discrete and cannot provide anywhere near the richness of our conscious experience.  Our conscious experience is composed of the activity of many many neurons simultaneously.  But there is no physical anatomical structure that makes such a connection.  There is nothing physical in the brain that is like a recording array, picking up the electrical signals from a large ensemble of neurons and then displaying them on a screen to be appreciated in aggregate...or, related to our proposed analogy:  converting the neuronal spikes into sounds for someone to listen to.  There is nothing in the brain (physical) that is like a PET scan, which can show neural activity across the entire brain.  There is no "uber-neuron" that is simultaneously aware of all of the states of the other neurons in the brain.  Even if there were such a neuron, it could not maintain the richness of the input because all a neuron can experience is the summation of all inputs into a single voltage level.  The anatomy is clear.  We've dissected lots of brains to trace the anatomy and there is no "Listener" in the brain - at least no listener made of a material substance. 

             I think I need to diverge here and give another analogy:  numbers.  Consider a series of numbers:  say 6, 2, 55, 17, 8.  If you sum these numbers together you get 88.  Our consciousness experiences each number simultaneously and is, or can be, aware of each individual number.  A neuron only experiences a summation and thus any individual neuron can only be aware of the number 88.  These experiences are not the same.  A single "uber-neuron", no matter how connected, cannot be the seat of consciousness as we experience it.

             Now let's consider the Conductor in our analogy.  The Conductor represents the will of the soul.  The will of our soul is our intention to carry out decisions.  It is our free will.  It is our moral decision-making.  It is our conscience.  The conductor directs the entire orchestra, but does not play a single instrument and does not make a sound.  As a listener, you don't (at least not normally!) hear the conductor.  If you closed your eyes and listened, you would not know there is a conductor.  And yet, we afford the conductor a lot of credit for how the orchestra plays.  Of course, a lot of credit is based on what we imagine the conductor did during the practices for the performance.  But, in a good orchestra, each musician will be primarily focused in on the conductor even during the performance.  A good musician will not be affected by a sudden poor, off-beat, off-key note of the musician next to them - they will have a laser-focus on the conductor and will keep playing properly despite what is going on around them.

             However, despite the importance we place on the conductor, the orchestra can function without the conductor.  In fact, when well-trained, an observer (listener) might not know whether the conductor is there or not.  I hypothesize that this is very analogous to our brain function.  The neurons respond to inputs and create outputs via habits and learned responses and reflex loops and complicated networks and so on.  The brain can create all sorts of music without being told what to do.  It can run open-loop - i.e. apart from the soul...apart from the will...apart from the conscience.  I believe we were made to be tightly linked to our conscience just like the orchestra should be tightly linked to their conductor, but it surely is not always the case.  A musician may decide to play whatever they feel like playing and it might sound beautiful in isolation.  However, it is not what the conductor wants and is not what the listener is expecting to hear. 

             The point of this analogy is that the Conductor is not in control of an orchestra in the same way that a driver is in control of a car.  A lot can happen in an orchestra without the conductor being involved.  If this analogy is in any way correct, it explains why the "Conductor" or "soul" would very hard to detect.  If you listen to a piece of music, how can you tell if the conductor is there or not?  If the orchestra is well-trained, actually, even if it isn't...how do you know if a musician is focused in on the conductor or not - especially if you don't know what the conductor is wanting the musician to do?  By analogy, this is why it would be so hard to measure, in the physical world, the impact of the soul on the neurons in the brain.  How do you know when a neuron is "looking up at the conductor" for direction and when it is just playing its well-practiced music?  I suppose the best chance we have of detecting this effect would be during learning, but even then it would be very difficult.  Most learning is still primarily based on physical sensory inputs and feedback.  The soul probably has the biggest impact on moral learning, but that type of learning must be very subtle and rarely occurs in some concentrated training session. I don't know if it would ever be possible to directly measure this influence [see discussion here].

             With respect to the "Listener" part of the soul (i.e., what I say is analogous to consciousness):  you would never detect the existence of a Listener.  Ironically, the only way to try to detect such a thing is to be the Listener yourself.  But the Listener doesn't change the music.  So you may be conscious, but you could never measure the presence of the conscious "Listener" if you are just listening to the sounds of each musician or even if you make a scan of the whole brain.  The conscious soul...the "sensory" part...has no effect on the physical brain.  The Listener leaves no trace.  It would be like standing at a radio transmission tower and trying to figure out if anyone is listening to the radio station being broadcast.  How could you ever know?

             Finally, I just want to say one thing about brain damage and the soul.  Some argue that the fact that people's personality can change as a result of brain damage - a stroke or head injury or so on - is proof that the "soul" is not spiritual but rather is physical and resides in the material properties of the brain.  I hope that the orchestra analogy helps to understand how brain damage relates to the soul.  If a musician starts playing badly...or quits playing altogether...then the music will surely sound different.  But that has nothing to do with whether there is a conductor or a listener. We are listening (when we measure the brain or interact with a person) to the orchestra - we are not listening to the conductor.  Whether an orchestra is bad or good has nothing to do with the existence of a conductor.  The greatest conductor in the world, when conducting a group of fifth-graders who would rather be in recess, will produce music that will sound horrible.  That doesn't mean that the conductor doesn't exist or is bad.  Of course brain damage affects a person's personality and what they do.  But that does not negate the existence of their soul.

             No analogy is perfect of course, and one of the problems with my orchestra analogy is that it is kind of circular.  By that I mean that I am illustrating the mind-body problem by introducing a bunch of mind-bodies into the analogy.  The analogy includes musicians, conductors, and listeners, all of whom have their own minds and, presumably, their own souls.  We are using souls to illustrate souls, so does the analogy really help us?  All I can say is that the analogy has helped me to imagine how, and under what circumstances, the soul might be apparent and why it is so difficult to detect the activity of the soul.  Maybe it is not helpful for anyone else.  But the soul is not like anything we encounter in the physical, material world so it is hard to come up with an analogy of the soul that uses only material things.  Ultimately, the only thing like a soul is...another soul!

Creation: Miracle or Anomaly?

             It seems that Christians feel threatened by the theory of evolution along with the commonly lumped-together theories about the origins of the universe and the origins of life.  The reasoning seems to be that the Bible presents a particular story of creation and, if evolution is shown to be true, then it negates the Bible and undermines the Christian faith.  But this seems like a misguided approach and does not follow the general pattern of the Christian view of some other differences between science and faith.

             Even before science became known as science, there were key "naturalistic theories" that directly contradicted the very foundational beliefs of Christianity.  Here's one:  every person dies, and when they die, they decay into dust and they never ever come back to life!  They are gone.  Here's another one:  a human female who is a virgin can never become pregnant without being physically impregnated in some way!  It has never happened in the history of mankind and it will never happen.  These events are physical impossibilities.  In fact, these issues are so fundamental that they aren't usually explicitly taught - they are just assumed.

             Christians claim that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, died, and rose again after being dead for three days.  These claims are not just one set of a wide range of beliefs in the Christian religion.  They are not incidental to the Christian faith.  They are the central claims of the Christian faith.  These claims establish the divine nature of Jesus.  If someone rejects these claims then they cannot claim to be a Christian.  If these claims are false, Christianity is false.  These claims cannot be more fundamental and critical to Christians.

             And yet...Christians never try to attack the basic scientific claims regarding the impossibility of a virgin birth and the impossibility of rising from the dead.  Christians do not feel threatened when scientists, atheists, or anyone else, claim that these things cannot happen.  Christians are not up in arms, trying to get these principles taught in the science classes in public schools.  Why?  The answer is obvious to all:  the virgin birth and the resurrection of Jesus Christ are miracles.  They are supernatural events, not natural events.  In fact, the more it is shown and demonstrated that these events could never happen in a natural world, the stronger is the case for Christianity.  If these events could happen naturally, it would significantly weaken Christian faith.  It is actually important that these events be shown to be miracles - supernatural events - and not unusual but natural events.  Science is helpful to the Christian faith here because it can help to establish why these events are impossible in a purely natural world.

             Somehow, the Christian view of creation seems to have escaped classification as a miracle.  Why is that?  Actually, the basic concept of creation has been clearly demonstrated to be supernatural to some extent, based on the scientific demonstration that spontaneous generation does not occur in the natural world.  Of course, even Christians do not claim that creation is necessarily continuous to the present day.  Also, science has to uncomfortably backtrack on this issue a bit because obviously, at some point, some form of "spontaneous generation" did occur in history.  Science is stuck claiming that life only spontaneously appeared under some specific conditions in the past that have not been duplicated since.  I think it is hard for scientists not to refer to the spontaneous generation of life as a miracle - instead they have to say it is an "anomaly" - but that is not the main point here. 

             I think the reason that creation isn't typically lumped in with other miracles is that the creation of the universe by an all-powerful God does seem like a logical possible explanation of how the natural world came into being.  It is one of many possible explanations, of course, and one that science tries to avoid.  However, because it could be considered logical or rational, it seems like Christians kind of adopted the sense that the creation story of Genesis was a rational natural explanation of creation.  Unlike miracles, which depend on being classified as supernatural, and thus are never threatened by natural proofs that they could not happen, but are rather strengthened by such proofs, the Christian view of creation seems to have been placed in the "natural occurrence" category.   I think Christians liked the fact that the existence of the natural world seemed to "prove" that a Creator God must exist.  The idea was comforting.  The idea is, in fact, rational.  But that does not mean that it is natural. 

             Here's my suggested view:  Creation of the universe, starting with nothing and wrapping up the work in six days, is a miracle.  It is a supernatural event.  It might correlate well with some natural observations, but that does not negate the fact that the creation story in Genesis is, at it's very core, a description of a truly miraculous event.  In fact, the idea that God created in six days what scientists claim the natural universe would take 5 trillion days to create establishes the immeasurable creative power of God.  What God did in creation is definitely not natural!  It is a Class A-1 miracle!

             Some may be uncomfortable calling creation a miracle because they are vested in the idea that Genesis relates real human history and worry that "relegating" creation to the category of a miracle somehow negates the "realness" of it.  They worry that it somehow makes it less of an account of history and more of a fable or myth.  But that is not at all what is meant by creation being a miracle.  The four gospels are clearly meant to relate real human history, yet it is within the gospels that we find the virgin birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  Recognizing an event as a miracle does not negate its historical nature.  A miracle is something that should not have ever happened based on the principles of the natural world, but did actually happen.  A fable is something that never happened but maybe could have.  The virgin birth is a miracle.  The resurrection is a miracle.  And creation is a miracle.

             Maybe, in some odd way, it would have been nice if, as science delved further and further into the age of the universe, they would have kept honing in closer and closer to exactly 6,024 years for the age of the earth and then found that the "void" was exactly two days older.  Such a finding would have "proven Christianity beyond a reasonable doubt."  But, of course, there was never a reason to think that that was going to happen.  There are plenty of ways that God could use to prove his existence beyond a reasonable doubt.  He does not avail Himself of any of them.  He leaves room for doubt.  He leaves room for choice.  He leaves room for belief.  It makes us uncomfortable as Christians because belief can be so hard sometimes.  We think it would be so easy if the belief part of Christianity was done away with.  We want to see, not believe.  We want to see the nail marks in His hands and thrust our hand into His side.  That would make everything so easy, we think!  But it is not to be so.  Not yet anyway.

             I strongly encourage Christians to see creation for what it is and was always meant to be:  a miracle.  Stop degrading this miraculous event by trying to force fit it into a naturalistic explanation.  Instead, celebrate every time science makes the idea of creation harder and harder to imagine.  All that does is demonstrate, in more and more certain terms, the omnipotence of our Creator God.  Revel in that fact that your God, the God you believe in, was born of a virgin and rose from the dead...and created the universe out of nothing, apparently in one trillionth the time it should have taken!  And He still cares about you.  That is a miracle!

19. Do animals (non-human) have souls? Do animals have spirits?

Linkage:  This is part of the study "Scriptural View of the Body, Soul and Spirit".  You should read that Introduction first.

 

Quick Answer:  No.

 

Key Scriptures:

             None really.  I looked through all 95 instances of the word <psuche> as used in the NT.  94 of the uses clearly refer to the soul of human beings.  For example, see my note on I Pet 3:20 below.  The 95^th use, found in Rev 8:9, is discussed in the Related Scriptures section and cannot be used to confidently claim that animals have souls.  Beyond that, I did not find any indication that animals have <psuche>.

             In addition, I could not find anything that references an animal having a <pneuma>.  Jesus did send the evil spirits into a herd of swine, but that is clearly presented as an unusual (miraculous) event.  Scripture is about the spiritual realm and is always about humans, not animals. 

             I Pet 3:20  “a few…eight <psuche> were saved by water” – speaking about the people saved on Noah’s ark.  Here, the human souls are clearly counted even though there were numerous animals of all kinds saved on the ark.  This verse seems to clearly distinguish the human <psuche> from the life of all of the other animals that were saved after the flood.  This is an example of how the whole tenor of scripture assumes that human beings are the only creatures with a <psuche-pneuma>.  Only humans can sin.  Jesus died only for humans.

 

Caveat:

             I thought this might be a simple question and not that important.  As it turns out, it is both difficult to answer and has broader implications on Christian beliefs than I initially imagined.  I gave a "quick answer" of no, but it may warrant further study.

 

Related Scriptures and Thoughts:

             Rev 8:9…the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had <psuche>, died.  Given that there is no other verse that references animals having souls, it is important to make sure that there is only one logical interpretation to this verse if we're going to claim that this verse means that animals have souls (or, more specifically, that fish have souls!).  However, there are at least three logical interpretations of this verse: 

1) The term "creatures" refers to animals (non-humans) and <psuche> means "soul" in the unique sense, thus implying that animals - at least sea creatures - have souls. 

2) The term "creatures" is referring to humans.

3) The term <psuche> is referring to life in general, not the "soul" in the unique sense.

 

             With respect to option #2, note first that the point of the verse is not to talk about souls;  it is talking about death and destruction in the end times.  It could be that the "creatures in the sea with <psuche>" were all "human creatures".  Especially since it seems like the word “in” could be “on”.  At any given moment, there must be a lot of human beings in or on (mostly on) the sea.  Yes, it would seem weird for John to use the word "creature" (Greek: ktisma) to mean just humans, but not completely out of the question.  That word is only used four times in the NT.  The other use of the term in Revelation, Rev. 5:13, speaks of all creatures praising God.  Even there the word could be referring to humans only, though it would seem like an odd word choice.  I think the general interpretation of the word is that it means "every created thing", but that would also include non-living things like rocks, and certainly rocks don't have souls.  But, regardless, some words are used in an unusual way in Revelation, so I don't think we can completely eliminate this option as a possible interpretation.

             I think the most likely explanation is that the word <psuche> is meant to convey the idea of "life" and not in specific reference to a soul (option #3).  The verse could be thus interpreted as saying that "things living in the sea were destroyed", which is consistent with the context of the verse.  As I have discussed elsewhere, there is some fuzziness about how terms like <psuche> and <soma> and <sarx> are used in the NT.  The question is whether the word <psuche> is used elsewhere in the NT to clearly refer to the idea of "life" rather than "soul."  I found at least one instance where this is the case:  Luke 12:22.

             Luke 12:22 shows that <psuche> is used to mean life – even physical life – in some cases.  “Take no thought for your <psuche>, what ye shall eat…”  Jesus is referring to worrying about finding physical food, so the "eating" is physical eating, which is necessary to sustain physical life.  Physical eating doesn't sustain the soul.  Therefore, at least in this verse, the term <psuche> is used to mean physical life.  I think that the term <psuche> is being used in the same manner in Rev 8:9. 

 

Discussion:

             My conclusion is that non-human animals do not have a supernatural soul.  Animals have <zoe> life, which is a physical life, but not a spiritual life.  They are not responsible for their own actions.  The presence of the <psuche-pneuma> is a distinguishing factor in human beings when compared to all other creatures in the universe.

             I'm sorry to all you dog and cat lovers out there!  However, a lack of a soul does not mean that there won't be dogs in heaven.  With respect to that issue, scripture is completely silent.  But if you need dogs or cats or butterflies in heaven in order for it to really be heaven, then I'm sure they'll be there.

             If animals did have souls, then this would present significant complications.  First, where would you draw the line as to which animals - or living things - have souls.  Most people I know, if they tend to think animals have souls, think of dogs and cats, but not frogs and bats.  And certainly not spiders and cockroaches.  Or grass and mold.  But where would you draw the line for "soul-possession"?  There is certainly nothing in scripture to guide such a dividing line.  Actually there is:  the dividing line is between humans and all other creatures of any sort.  Humans are unique, and one of the distinguishing characteristics...or maybe the fundamental distinguishing characteristic...is that humans have souls and no other creatures have souls.

             Is there room in Christianity to believe that animals sin?  It seems that the whole tenor of scripture is that only humans can sin, but I can't think of a passage that is explicit about that.  Only Adam and Eve are described as eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  The implication is that Adam and Eve were the only ones to eat from that tree.  Any attribution of moral responsibility to any creature other than humans is outside of scripture.

             What about animals showing emotions?  Certainly we tend to attribute to our pets a lot of "human emotions".  My working hypothesis is this:  if animals only have <sarx> and <zoe>, then any attribute an animal might exhibit must be the <sarx> in action, not the result of a <psuche-pneuma>.  Given this hypothesis, it seems clear that there are many emotions that span both <sarx> and <psuche-pneuma> and it is very difficult to tell when, in humans, they have crossed the line from a purely <sarx> (physical) response to one that is now driven by the <psuche-pneuma>.  Anger is a good example.  Certainly animals get angry.  Humans get angry.  Jesus got angry.  God gets angry.  We are told that not all anger is sin.  "Be angry and do not sin."  No animal sins by being angry.  In the case of anger, there is also a morally-right anger - we call it "righteous anger".  We know righteous anger exists because God can be described as angry.  Thus, it can be instructive to consider the emotions that animals show, because that can help us understand where our emotions can be purely "fleshly" and where they might be more spiritual (or moral) in nature.  If there is a moral component to an emotion, it becomes uniquely human.  If there is a type of anger that is sinful (there is), then that is a type of anger that is unique to humans.  Sexual immorality is another example.  Animals never commit sexual immorality, but humans do.  But for humans, sex has a moral component that can be good or bad.

             I think that Christians have to be careful about ascribing human traits to their pets.  In general these attributions are harmless and there is no deep meaning intended.  But we have to make sure we keep God's eternal priorities in our minds if we are to live according to Christian principles.  The eternal spiritual state of each human being is an eternal priority for God.  The eternal state of any other created being is not an eternal priority.  We should not mix those things up in our own lives.

9. Are human beings alive because their soul is in their body, and when their soul departs their body, then they are dead?

Linkage:  This is part of the study "Scriptural View of the Body, Soul and Spirit".  You should read that Introduction first.

 

Quick Answer:  I don't think so - not when referring to physical life and physical death.

 

Key Scriptures:

             I Pet 4:16  Death is in the <sarx>, life is in the <pneuma>.  If life is only in the <pneuma>, then how can animals be alive?  How can plants be alive if life is only in the spirit?  This argues for another term that would describe life in a more earthly, material sense.  I believe that term is <zoe> and its derivatives. 

             I Cor 15:45 describes a "<zao> <psuche>" or "living soul".  Based on the phrasing, it seems that the <zao> is describing a condition of the <psuche>.  Given this, it would seem that there is a difference between "life" or "living" and the soul.  I think plants and animals could be <zao>, but without a soul.  I think the soul is unique to humans, but I don’t think living is unique to humans.

             James 5:20  James talks about saving a <psuche> from death – so souls can die.  But I think that means the eternal “state” of the soul, not physical death.  A dead soul means a soul destined to hell.  I don’t think it necessarily means a soul without physical life.

             James 2:26 “…the <soma> without the <pneuma> is dead…”  At death, the spirit is separated from the body.  But whenever spiritual death is under consideration, it is more about the state of the <psuche-pneuma>.  It is either in the state of death - eternal punishment - or life - eternal life.  I wouldn't say that this verse says that physical death is the <pneuma> departing from your body.  That does happen, but that is not what makes us physically dead.   

 

Caveat:

             In general, it seems that when your physical body dies, the soul departs at the same time.  But physical death is, I think, the loss of <zoe>.  The two events are simultaneous.  But dogs and frogs die, and that is not because their soul departs.  I would say that, for humans, the physical death of the body releases the soul.  The departure of our soul is a consequence of our physical death.

 

Related Scriptures and Thoughts:

             Matt 22:32  God is not God of the <nekros>, but of the living <zao>.  Further evidence, I would say, that <nekros> is referring to physical death of the <sarx> that results in the decay of the <sarx>.  At some point dust really does return to dust.  All memory and evidence of the physical life of any single individual is eventually lost.  Then it is just matter.  God is not God of that.  Of course, He is the God of the universe.  But to be the God of Abraham is not to be the God of dust, or the God of someone that was in the past.  God is in the moment.  To say that God was the God of Abraham doesn’t make sense.  God doesn’t live in the past.  Jesus uses this to show that there is a resurrection of the dead.

             John 5:24-25  Jesus seems to use <Thanatos> and <nekros> interchangeably.  He also uses <zoe> in the first verse and <zao> in the second.  I don’t know if there is a significance to that.  “the <nekros> shall hear the voice of the Son of God:  and they that hear shall live.”  If this was referring to physical death of our <sarx>, this wouldn’t make sense.  Those dead can’t hear.  I think Jesus has to be referring to the “spiritually dead”.  In fact, we are all spiritually dead before we believe.

 

Discussion:

             To summarize this topic with respect to a Christian view of the science related to living, I suggest the following:

             <Zoe> and similar Greek terms refer to "life" in the way that we used to (a century ago) refer to a "life force" - whatever it is that makes living things alive.  Human beings, animals, plants, etc. are "alive" because they have <zoe>.  This "lifeforce" could be material, could be spiritual, could be a combination of both.  My feeling is that there is a good chance that it is purely material and part of the natural world.  It could be the natural outcome of biochemistry in action.  This is in contrast to "eternal life", which is fundamentally spiritual in nature.  [Note though that sometimes the word "eternal" isn't added to "life" in the Greek NT - you have to deduce that the reference is to eternal life from the context.] 

             The key issue with respect to science - biology and neuroscience in particular - is that I would leave open entirely the possibility that science will find that the "lifeforce" is a material thing; a natural phenomenon that can be explained by laws of physics and chemistry.    This would not negate Christian beliefs or go against scripture, as far as I can see.  Thus, Christians should not have irrational fears or angst about such scientific discoveries, either now or in the future.  In fact, Christians ought to be quite interested in the whole concept and in any discoveries made through scientific exploration.

             By the way, I really think scientists ought to be more humble when you consider that, of all the most fundamental things we can observe in the universe, "life" is certainly the most interesting.  It has been studied by scientists from before there was science.  And yet - and yet - there still is no good explanation of what life really is.  There's no embarrassment in that - life is unique and complex - but it certainly ought to be humbling!

             <Psuche>, on the other hand, is certainly spiritual.  Or, more properly, <psuche> is a link between the spiritual and the material.  The complete <psuche-pneuma> of the human being is never going to be discovered by natural science.  I suppose it might be possible to discover evidence of the action of the <psuche-pneuma> on the material but, as I have discussed elsewhere, such an experiment is difficult to define and is certainly outside the current realm of what is feasible.  The spiritual nature of the <psuche-pneuma> is a fundamental Christian doctrine.  Thus, when science claims that human beings are purely material, that does go directly against Christian beliefs.  Such a claim also goes beyond the bounds of science.  Therefore:  Christians should oppose this concept and scientists should not make this claim - they have no basis to do so.  There is no room for compromise on this issue.

             When scripture talks about "life" with respect to the <psuche-pneuma>, I think it is generally talking about eternal life and is maybe more easily understood as the "eternal state" of the person.  A human being who is destined to hell is "dead" even though they may be physically (<zoe>) alive.  When we are "made alive" as Christians, it is a change of eternal destiny.  We were, as real human beings with a body, soul, and spirit, always destined to "last" forever.  But lasting forever and being eternally alive are not the same thing. 

 

7. Are the “mind, will, emotions” part of the soul? Are they materialistic things or spiritual things?

Linkage:  This is part of the study "Scriptural View of the Body, Soul and Spirit".  You should read that Introduction first.

 

Quick Answer:  The mind, will, and emotions (also heart) are part of the "You", which includes body, soul, spirit.  The mind, will, and emotions can be either materialistic or spiritual, probably at the same time.  

 

Key Scriptures:

             Rom 8:27 “…and he who searches our hearts <kardia> knows the mind <phronema> of the <pneuma>…”  To me this illustrates the loose use of terms like <kardia> and <phronema>.  That the "spirit" would have a "mind" clearly indicates that, at least in some cases, the concept of "mind" is a spiritual one and resides in the spiritual, or non-material, world.  I believe that if you say that the "mind is purely a material outcome of the brain's intricacies", then you are contradicting scripture.  At the very least, you have to acknowledge that the word "mind" is sometimes used to refer to something in the spiritual realm.  But many academics would say that everything meant by the term "mind" resides in the material universe.  Such a concept would not square with scripture.

             Eph 2:3 …fulfilling the desires of the <sarx> and of the mind <dianoia>…and were by nature <phusis> the children of wrath.  Here the “mind” <dianoia> is coupled with the <sarx>.  But it could be that the <psuche-pneuma> becomes so depraved that it has the same desires as the <sarx>.  But we also know that the physical brain, which is part of the <sarx>, must be closely related to the mind <dianoia>.  I think our <sarx> can influence our <psuche-pneuma> just like a bad friend can corrupt a good friend.

             Mt 5:28  …hath committed adultery with her already in his <kardia>...  Clearly <kardia> can refer to the <psuche-pneuma> - the non-physical part of the person.  Jesus is not saying that physical adultery occurs just by thoughts/intentions.  But sin does occur just by thoughts/intentions.  We know that this is the case.  There are times where we intend to sin, but we are prevented by some situation outside of our control.  We don't commit the physical act of sinning, but we commit the spiritual act of sinning.  Jesus points out that, either way, it is still sin.  As with nearly every other principle encountered in this study, this further shows the importance of the spiritual realm.  

             Mt 12:34  out of the abundance of the <kardia> the mouth speaketh.  The <kardia> can…and often does…result in the physical working out of what we really are in our <psuche-pneuma>.  Our physical body is driven by that deeper us…the real us comes out.  The body is not a filter for good in the sense that our deeper selves think up evil and then our body resists and tries to get us to change for the positive.  I can’t think of any verse that indicates that our body could have a positive influence.  Certainly there are times when the physical limitations of our body keep us from acting out our intended sin.  But, as Jesus has said in Mt 5:28 – we’ve already committed the sin, and the fact that our body…our physical self in a physical world…just can’t carry out that sin at that moment does not mean we have not sinned. 

             Lu 1:66  ..laid them up in their <kardia>  Here <kardia> is basically referring to memory.  Memory is an interesting aspect and somehow seems tied to both flesh and soul.  Animals, plants, even computers have memory in a very basic sense.  But we can recall memories and “relive” experiences.  Memories can evoke emotions and desires.  Certainly our actions today are strongly influenced by our past - specifically our memories of our past.  The acting out of our will must pass through the memory of our past experiences.  In a fleshly sense, our memories are what provides us with the continuity of “ourselves”.  I remember the past of me, even though none of the current molecules in my fleshly body were there in my distant past.  I assume that I don’t remember someone else’s memories.  The fact that a memory, at least to some extent, can be evoked by stimulating a specific region of the brain, does not negate the idea that these various human characteristics, including memory, have a spiritual component.  Given the advances of neuroscience, we know that there is a physical component, so it is wrong to say that these characteristics are all spiritually-based. 

             Eph 6:6 doing the will of God from the <psuche>  Here "<psuche>" is used in a place where you might have used “heart”…the place where decisions are made.  Again, it is important to recognize that hard lines are not drawn around the definition of these terms.  We know what they mean because we experience them every day - every moment - as human beings.  But it is hard for us to define them with great specifics.  It's just like trying to define consciousness or life.

 

Caveat:

             With respect to the scriptural use of terms like "mind" <phronema>, I think it would be a mistake to declare that they refer only to the spiritual realm or only to the material realm.  They cross the boundary.  In fact, that is their unique characteristic.  Something has to cross that boundary or else our <psuche-pneuma> could never influence our <sarx> (and vice versa).  It seems that the mind and heart that provide that bridge.   

             Also, I used the word "emotion" in the question for this entry because, as I recall, I was always taught about the "soul" being composed of mind, will, and emotions.  But the word "emotion" doesn't appear in scripture - at least no Greek word is translated "emotion" in the KJV or NIV.  I think the tendency was to equate the use of the word "heart" as a stand-in for emotion, but that is clearly not right.  The word <kardia> is much closer to the idea of "mind" as we would use it today.  As with "mind" and "will", the word emotion carries a certain physical connection, and, in fact, might be "all physical."  I don't know about that, but most of our emotions are in response to some physical situation.  On the other hand, the line between "emotion" and "mind" or "heart" is very very fuzzy.  It does not appear that the intent of scripture is to be prescriptive regarding the boundaries between the physical and the spiritual.

 

Related Scriptures and Thoughts:

             Mt 24:48, Mr 2:6 reasoning in their <kardia>.  From the way the terms for heart, mind, etc. are used, I think it would be a mistake to build any doctrine on the idea that a person is composed of mind, will, emotions, as if those were distinct from one another.  Scripturally, those terms are not tightly controlled.  Also, some features of these terms cross from the material <sarx> into the spiritual <psuche-pneuma>, so I wouldn't put them solidly in the soul. 

             I Th 2:8 imparting our own <psuche>.  We can impart our deep motivation to another person.  We understand by our common experience that it is possible to copy the actions of another person and “go through the motions.”  But there is no life and no motivation in that.  We know and understand that there is a deeper part of us.  It would be hard for us to define the edges of that deeper person, but we know it is there. 

             Examples of the "loose" use of these terms - they are often used in place of one another:

             John 10:24 <psuche> translated as doubt

             John 12:27 <psuche> is troubled (worried, anxious)

             Acts 14:12 made their <psuche> - translated as mind

 

Discussion:

             It seems that the mind, heart, will, emotions...are all features that can be attributed to the whole person.  In general, though, the really unique human aspects, such as will and understanding are more commonly associated with the soul <psuche>.  There is a spiritual, nonmaterialistic aspect to these features.  Based on my understanding, it would seem that the mind, heart, and will can all be thought of as the features that enable interaction between your <psuche-pneuma> and your <sarx>.

             Also, in general I find the use of the various terms like <psuche> and <phroneo> and <kardia> and so on to be a bit loose.  I don’t recall a verse that really puts tight bounds on those concepts.  We don’t really have a word, for example, that means “the human characteristic of will and purpose that is unique to humans and resides only in their soul.”  When we use the term will, it often has that meaning, but we might also apply it to something that arises from our flesh, not our soul.  We might even apply it to an animal.  The problem is that, in our experience, we can’t really tell the difference between a "materially-based will" and a "spiritually-based will"…or at least it is too difficult to tell the difference without a lot of work.  So, we have to be loose with these terms. 

 

6. When the Bible uses the term “body”, does that only refer to our physical, material, body?

Linkage:  This is part of the study "Scriptural View of the Body, Soul and Spirit".  You should read that Introduction first.

 

Quick Answer:  No, not always.

 

Key Scriptures:

             Matt 5:29, 6:22, 26:26, 27:52  You can’t make sense of these verses if you think of the word <soma> as being equivalent to <sarx> as being equivalent to the material, fleshly body that will die and decay.  In particular, at the death of Jesus, “many <soma> of the saints which slept arose…” Matt 27:52.  Their bodies would have decayed…their fleshly bodies.  In this passage, you might think the word should have been <psuche> or <pneuma>.  So, with respect to the use of the term <soma>, the answer to the question is clearly "no".

             Rom 8:11 “mortal bodies” - <thnetos soma>; here Paul combines two words to make clear that he is referring to our physical bodies.  I think that provides evidence that Paul might have used the word <soma> to mean the whole person (including non-material parts of our whole person), but wants to clarify in this case that his discussion is limited to the physical.   It seems that the word <sarx> would apply here, so I'm not sure why Paul uses the combination of the two words instead of just using the word <sarx> in this instance.

             Rom 12:1 "present your <soma> a living sacrifice..."  I feel this makes the most sense if <soma> is thought of as the "container of you."  Our fleshly bodies are part of that sacrifice, but our <psuche-pneuma> has to be involved also. 

             Rom 7:18  "in my <sarx> dwelleth no good thing..."  yet in Rom 12:1 we are to offer our <soma> as a living sacrifice.  Therefore, the <sarx> is the fleshly old nature that is incapable of doing anything that is not totally self-serving and selfish; and is incapable of being transformed.  If we removed the selfish portion of the <sarx>, there would be nothing left.  So the <sarx> and the <soma> are not the same thing.

             1Th 5:23 "And <de> the very <autos> God <theos> of peace <eirene> sanctify <hagiazo> you <humas> wholly <holoteles>; and <kai> I pray God your <humon> whole <holokleros> spirit <pneuma> and <kai> soul <psuche> and <kai> body <soma> be preserved <tereo> blameless <amemptos> unto <en> the coming <parousia> of our <hemon> Lord <kurios> Jesus <Iesous> Christ <Christos>."  I don't think, based on passages like Romans 6-8, that the <sarx> can ever be considered to be blameless or can ever be made blameless.  Therefore, this passage would seem to indicate that the <soma> is different than the <sarx>.  In this case, the <soma> can be made blameless, referring to the "whole self" (see Discussion below).  Ultimately, achieving the "whole-self blameless state" requires a new "physical" body as described in I Corinthians (...sown perishable...rises imperishable, etc.).

             I Cor 5:4-5 "When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature {5 Or <that his body>; or <that the flesh>} may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord."  Salvation of the <pneuma>.  The flesh can be destroyed by satan, but the spirit can live on in salvation.  This seems in contrast to the “new body”.  Thus, it would seem that the word <soma> is distinct from the word <sarx>.  <Sarx> seems to only refer to the physical body…and thus the translation to the word “flesh” seems to carry the right connotation completely. 

 

Caveat:

             With respect to the word <sarx>, I think the answer to the question at hand would be "yes".  I don't know of a scripture that uses the word <sarx> to refer to anything other than physical flesh, at least in context. 

             With respect to the word <soma>, which is often translated "body", the answer is definitely "no".  There are clearly scriptures that use the word <soma> to mean "the whole person", which includes their non-material <psuche-pneuma>.  However, there are scriptures where <soma> is used in the passage and it could be substituted for <sarx> and the meaning would be the same.  I could not discern a particular pattern where <soma> was used instead of <sarx>. 

 

Related Scriptures and Thoughts:

             I Cor 2:11  shows how our own personal spirit knows the deep things going on within us.  No one else (anyone who cannot be described as "me") can really know the deep things going on within me.  I think this is one thing that helps explain the uniqueness of the <soma>.  Each one of us is distinct from everyone else around us.  Where do we end and others begin?  It seems obvious to us most of the time except maybe during pregnancy.  But one thing that defines the borders of "us" is that we know our deep thoughts and those are not known to anyone else - and cannot be known - unless we reveal it.  Paul is making a similar point about God - God is distinct and no one knows the deep thoughts of God either, unless He reveals them to us.

             Acts 2:30-31 speaking of the resurrection… “his <psuche> was not left in hell, neither his <sarx> did see corruption.”  There is something fundamentally different about the treatment of Jesus' body at death.  His <sarx> did not decay.  That was a supernatural thing - it is abnormal (meaning it is not natural).

 

 

Discussion:

             I think one of the really important principles here is that the "person" remains intact after the resurrection.  There is a chain of custody of the "person".  We retain our self-hood forever.  We are not absorbed into a whole.  Also, we are not just re-made as heavenly clones that seem to be us.  We stay as us.  We know that even our current bodies are constantly changing molecules in and out.  But there is a chain of custody of "ourselves".  There is no confusion in our minds thinking that when we breathe out some carbon dioxide molecules that used to be part of us, and breathe in new oxygen molecules that were just floating around in the air a second ago…there is no thought that we are losing, in any way, what “we” are or that we are become part of a cosmic whole.  Here is one of those times where the academic splitting of hairs is just unnecessary and not helpful.  It is obvious to every human being that there is a "them" and there are "others" and trying to delve deeper is, in my opinion, searching for trivia that has no practical basis on how we live our lives. 

             My impression, after reading through the various verses, is that the word <sarx> always refers to the physical, material, "going to die and decay" body that we each have.  The word <soma> has a more interesting and nuanced meaning.  There are certainly many times where the word <soma> used to mean the same thing as <sarx>, but <soma> is also used where the context clearly indicates a broader meaning.  In my view, a proper description of the meaning of <soma> would be:  “the container of everything that is unique to you.”  Thus, sometimes the word <soma> seems to refer to the entire person, including <sarx>, <psuche>, and <pneuma> (and therefore also includes mind, will, emotions, etc.).  A key point to Christian belief is that “you” remain “you” for eternity.  Specifically, we do not become part of some cosmic whole.  We do not ever lose our identity as a separate being from other humans and as a separate being from God.  I think the word <soma> is often used to convey that concept.  Thus, when we are resurrected, we will have a resurrected <soma>.  It is not made of flesh in the same material, physical flesh that we have now.  But we will have a body:  there will be some “boundary” that separates what is defined as “me” from everyone else and everything else.  I believe this concept is a fundamental Christian concept – an important doctrinal point.  This would be one of those key sticking points when people try to say that "all religions are the same."  That is plainly false and this is one of those cases where it is clear.  Do "you" stay "you" forever - yes or no?  Christianity does not allow for any gray area there - the answer is an unequivocal "yes."

             The term <soma> often does refer to the physical body because that is the context in which we encounter others and even ourselves in the general context of scripture.  Scripture is written to people living in the physical world.  It is not written from the perspective of us when we are in heaven.  So when we see “us”, we see our physical body.  For example, Rom 8:13 - "mortify the deeds of the <soma>" but also "if ye live after the <sarx>" - here <sarx> and <soma> seemed to be used interchangeably.  It’s just important to realize that the word <soma> can always mean more than the flesh. 

             I think the distinction between <soma> and <sarx> is clearer when scripture talks about us getting a new body.  I think that is always a new <soma>.  That is not difficult to understand if the word <soma> means the “container” or “set of all items” that makes up the individual in question.  The New Testament is not really giving scientific details about how this all works because it is not necessary for understanding the whole concept.  The key thing is that we stay an individual after we physically die, and therefore physical death is not the end of “us”…we each continue as a being, distinct from every other being.

5. Is the “body” the same as the “soul”?

Linkage:  This is part of the study "Scriptural View of the Body, Soul and Spirit".  You should read that Introduction first.

 

Quick Answer:  No.

 

Key Scriptures:

             Mt 10:28 – there are some who can "destroy the body but not the soul", so the soul must be distinct from the body.  In this verse, Jesus uses the term <soma> for "body" and seems to be referring to the physical body.  However, Jesus also talks about God being able to destroy the <soma> in hell.  In that instance, it seems that the word <soma> has more of the “total person” meaning (see Question #6 for more on this).

             I Thes 5:23  This verse indicates that humans have a <pneuma>, <psuche>, and <soma>.  We have already established that the <pneuma> and <psuche> are different (though hard to separate).  It would seem odd that this list would include two things that are different and one that is the same.  Given that, the plain interpretation of this statement by Paul is that he is intending to describe three different things.

             I Cor 5:3 absent in <soma>, but present in <pnuema>.  Clearly our <soma> and <pneuma> are not the same. 

             Rom 7:25 with the mind <nous> I myself serve the law of God; but with the <sarx> the law of sin.  The mind is part of the <psuche-pneuma> - a non-material thing.  The brain is <sarx>.  This verse makes it clear:  the "brain" and the "mind" are not the same things. 

 

Caveat:

             The quick answer I gave above refers to the common use of the English word "body".  Specifically, when we use the word "body" in everyday English to refer to a human being, we are thinking of that person's physical body.  In fact, if someone dies, we would still refer to their corpse as their body.  When taken this way, the answer to the question is clearly "no".

             However, the Greek New Testament uses two words that might be translated body:  <soma> and <sarx>.  I discuss this in more detail in Question #6 [here], but the word <sarx> is probably closer in definition to the way we use the English term "body".  The word <soma> is, it seems, closer in definition to the way we use the English term "person" or even "you", "them", "me", etc.  When we use those terms, we aren't generally thinking any deep metaphysical thoughts, but if we were asked, we would generally say that those words mean both the person's body, and their soul (if we think people have souls), and their spirit (if we think people have spirits), and anything else that might make up what is, uniquely, one single, separate human being.  Sometimes we will clarify the term "person" and say the "whole person".  By that we are generally clarifying that we are not just talking about the person's body.  Even a materialist would attach some different nuance to that term and probably thinks of the "whole person" as including not just their flesh, but also more nebulous things such as their mind, emotions, will, etc. 

             So, by way of a caveat here, with further discussion [here], the question would not be so simple to answer if it was phrased "Is the <soma> the same as the <psuche>?"  There are certainly differences in the meanings of those Greek words, but as they are used in the New Testament it appears that the usage sometimes blurs any distinction.

 

Related Scriptures and Thoughts:

             Rom 7  The body can wage war against the mind, so they are clearly not the same.  Elsewhere, I suggest that it is reasonable to consider words like the mind and heart and understanding to be part of the soul [See here].  Passages like Romans 7 seem to be very clear that there is a difference between the brain and the mind.  However, this passage also strongly supports the idea that a lot of what we do is driven by the body, not the mind.  I take that to mean that we make a lot of decisions that are just simply the brain responding to inputs.  The materialist would probably say that every decision we make fits that category.  From my reading of scripture, my observation of my fellow human beings, and from being a human myself for a few decades, I've come to this conclusion:  the materialists are close to being right.  But, of course, the difference here between saying that our decisions are 100% material versus 99.999999% material is the difference between night and day.  True materialists would not allow for any non-material influence on our brain.  They would say "mind = brain" or, at the very least, that the mind is the outcropping or end-result or emergence phenomena of physical processes in the brain.  Based on my reading of scripture, there is plenty of room to accept that some (maybe nearly all) activities we call the "mind" are - or will be - explainable by a materialistic understanding.  However, to claim that there is no real "mind" is plainly against scripture.  But that does not mean that we humans are mostly controlled by our spiritual (i.e. non-physical) component.  In fact, and this is just my personal view, we are mostly "on autopilot" and "creatures of habit."  To me, those terms describe us as we go through our day and live in the fleshly, material world.  It doesn't mean we are doing anything wrong or stupid - it just means that we aren't making deep moral decisions all the time - in fact it is very rare that we make such decisions.  Our daily lives are not generally composed of one deep moral decision after another.  And, even when we are faced with moral decisions throughout a day, most of those decisions are things we've already decided on so we are really responding by habit, not by deep thinking.  And, really, deep thinking is hard to do, so if we can fall into a habit, it makes living life a lot easier.  I would venture to guess that this is similar to the System 1/System 2 idea of Kahneman, although I doubt he would include a moral "soul" into the mix!

             The idea that we rarely have to make real moral decisions that involve our soul, our spirit, our non-physical mind, is an important one with respect to evaluating science.  When neuroscientists record brain activity, I wouldn't expect them to find widespread evidence for the influence of some non-material force.  In fact, I would expect that to be extremely difficult to find.  Maybe one in a million - or one in a trillion (who knows?) - of our neuronal signals is under the influence of our soul, and even then under unusual conditions.  I just don't think it is something that we scientists will be able to measure.  I think it will just be a slightly random "background noise" that is just known to be present.  I tried to express this concept in some earlier blogs [here], but I don't know if any of those blogs make sense to anyone.  Science is not looking for a soul, but even if it was, and even if a really good honest experiment was designed to find it, I just don't know if it is findable.  I know that will seem like kind of a cop-out to anyone who is academically and materialistically minded, but that's how I see it. 

             I would also say that scripture allows for really fuzzy edges between body and soul or brain and mind.  I don’t believe any of these terms are meant to be totally exclusive with sharp edges to their definition. It does not seem that the point of scripture is to carefully define these boundaries because, on a practical basis, it doesn't matter.  

 

Discussion:

             Why is this question important?  The answer to it defines an important distinction between the materialist view and the Christian view.  If the materialist ever uses the term "soul" (personally I don't think they should be allowed, just like determinists shouldn't be allowed to use the term "choice" or "will", but that's for a separate discussion), they would not distinguish the soul from the body and thus they would answer the question "yes." 

             Also, going a bit further, science has to assume the material-only condition and the soul is not material.  Thus science would have to say "the existence of a soul is outside of my realm of study."  By contrast, living the Christian life is all about the "soul-spirit" of each person.